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Vom 19. bis 24. Mai findet im Stadtkino Wien im Rahmen der Wiener Festwochen eine Schau zum unbekannten filmischen Werk Susan Sontags statt. Ioana und Patrick besuchen die Programme und versuchen ihre Konfrontation mit dem Werk möglichst ungefiltert wiederzugeben.

Am ersten Tag wurden vier Filme gezeigt. Duet för kannibaler und Bröder Carl jeweil begleitet von einem Screen Test von Andy Warhol mit Susan Sontag. Vor dem zweiten Film gab es eine spannende Einführung von Kurator Ralph Eue.

Patrick:

◊ Vor kurzem habe ich in der Biographie von Josef von Sternberg gelesen. Er schreibt, dass er sich theoretisch mit Kunst und Film beschäftigt habe, bevor er die Technik lernte. Für ihn sei das ausschlaggebend in seiner Karriere. Ich bin eigentlich sehr seiner Meinung. Ich weiß, dass viele das anders sehen. Das man erstmal das Handwerk beherrschen muss bevor man die großen Ideen hat.

◊ Es ist nicht leicht über die ersten Filme von Susan Sontag zu schreiben. Mein Problem: Ich bin mir nicht sicher, ob ich Filme von Susan Sontag gesehen habe. Es sind schwedische Filme. Vielleicht die besten Bergman-Kopien (nicht im analogen Sinn), die ich bislang gesehen habe. Sie sind nicht amerikanisch, sie sind Ausdruck einer Bewunderung.

◊ Was mir vor allem aufgefallen ist: Sie sind handwerklich perfekt. Nein, das stimmt nicht ganz. Vor allem in Bröder Carl hatte ich große Probleme mit dem Post-Synch Dialogen, das war nur schwer zu ignorieren.

◊ Kennst du das, wenn du eine Sache nicht mehr sehen kannst in Filmen? Bei mir gehört dazu: Ein Schnitt von Mann und Frau, die zusammen ins Bett gehen auf das Frühstücksei. So gesehen in Duet för kannibaler. Hat der Film etwas eigenes? Ich weiß nicht. Ralph Eue hat es mit seiner Bergman, Antonioni und Godard Querverbindung ziemlich gut beschrieben.

◊ Warum hat sie Filme gemacht? Diese ersten beiden Arbeiten wirken ein wenig so, als wollte sie sich und uns etwas beweisen, oder? Vielleicht sprechen aus diesen Filme Liebe und Bewunderung für eine bestimmte Form des Kinos, vielleicht sprechen daraus aber auch Frustration über die bloße Reaktion darauf.

Bröder Carl hat mir besser gefallen. Es ist zwar irgendwie eine Mischung aus Dingen, die man in Persona (die Frage des Sprechens, der Ausdruckmöglichkeiten und des Begehrens, was dort drin steckt) und Ordet (die Frage des Glaubens, der Wiedergeburt, des Wunders), aber es gibt dort ein paar Szenen (zum Beispiel die Badewannenszene), die für mich etwas eigenes ausgedrückt haben.

◊ Ist es prinzipiell ein Problem, wenn man das Gefühl hat, dass jemand keine eigenen Dinge sagt? Eigentlich finde ich das nicht. es steckt viel Liebe darin, mehr Liebe und Originalität als andere in Arbeiten haben, bei denen nicht so leicht auf Vorbilder zu schließen ist. Bei Sontag hat es mich gestern trotzdem gestört, vielleicht weil ich diese Liebe in ihren Texten mehr gespürt habe, als in den Filmen?

◊ Insgesamt gibt es viele Medien in den Filmen: Aufnahmegeräte, Bücher, Tafeln, Schrift, Sprache, Körperlichkeit, Tanz, Musik, Essen. Und es gibt eine merkwürdige Abkehr davon, die sich am besten in den Männern äußert, die sich auf den Kopf stellen, wenn sie keine Lust mehr haben in beiden Filmen.

◊ Die Screen Tests sind wunderbar. Im zweiten war Sontag viel unehrlicher. Sie war eine Pose. Im ersten war sie einfach nur da. Sie sind beide wunderbar.

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Ioana:

◊ Es ist nicht leicht, über die ersten Filme von Susan Sontag zu schreiben. Mein Problem: Ich brauche sehr lange, um mich daran zu gewöhnen, dass ihre Filme ganz andere Register und Milieus durchwandern, als ich (ohne nachzudenken und etwas engstirnig) vielleicht erwartet habe.  Ich war bereit, etwas zu sehen, dass ein wenig mit den Filmen von Carolee Schneemann oder den Filmen von Jean Epstein in Verbindung stehen könnte. Absurd, da letztere Verbindung vielleicht aufgrund der der Beteiligung von Ralph Eue an dieser Schau induziert wurde, aber auch, weil man zwischen Schneemann und Epstein ein großes Stück von dem, was es an Film gibt, platzieren kann. Nach den ersten zwei Filmen – ja, ich finde auch, dass die Bergman, Antonioni und Godard Querverbindung es gut beschreibt, ich spüre von Ihnen am stärksten Bergman, am zweitstärksten aber Rivettes Abdriften ins Spielerische (du hast mir irgendwann erklärt, dass man das, was ich jetzt meine,  anders besser beschreiben kann, aber ich habe vergessen wie), Céline et Julie vont en bateau, das Ende von Out 1 (die Ähnlichkeiten sehe ich eher in Duett för kannibaler als in Bröder Carl).

◊ Die Probleme mit dem Post-Synch Dialogen in Bröder Carl. Ich habe sie auch und bei mir sind sie auch Teil eines größeres Problems. Oder: Sie haben in meiner Wahrnehmung des Films ein größeres Problem ausgelöst.  Ich habe die Dialoge in  Bröder Carl als sehr forciert empfunden und hatte oft das Gefühl, dass es an bestimmten Stellen zu viel ist, wenn dieser eine Satz jetzt ausgesprochen wird. Ich muss hier wahrscheinlich das Wort Fremdschämen einwerfen. Was ich ab hier nicht mehr weiß ist, ob es Fremdschämen für die Figuren ist, die sich nicht davon abhalten können, einen bestimmten Satz zu sagen, schreckliches über sich zu offenbaren (wenn es so wäre, dann wären wir gar nicht so weit entfernt von dem, was ich an Bergman bewundere, nämlich das Gift, das aus den Figuren herauskommt.) oder ist es Fremschämen für die Art und Weise wie Sontag mit Dialogen in dem Film umgeht (ist es ein Zeichen dafür, dass  Sontags Übergang von Schreiben zu Film in diesem Aspekt nicht so glatt gelaufen ist)?

Bröder Carl hat dir besser gefallen. Die Unstimmigkeit (der Sprung zu dem, was mich an Rivette erinnert) in Duett för kannibaler scheint mir einen einstimmigeren, kohärenteren Film zu ergeben, als die zerstreutere Kohärenz von Bröder Carl. Vielleicht hat mir Duett för kannibaler mehr gefallen, obwohl ich einige Szenen in  Bröder Carl viel vollendeter finde. Aber nicht den Film als Ganzes.  Ich hoffe, dass du  verstehst, was ich meine.

◊ Es tut mir leid, aber ich muss es sagen – die Ähnlichkeit zwischen (dem Bruder) Carl und Ben Whishaw ist unheimlich.

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