Diagonale-Dialog 4: Labern über die Unendlichkeit

Am Tag nach der Diagonale-Abschlussfeier raffen sich Patrick und Rainer auf, um sich ein letztes Mal gegenseitig den Bauch zu pinseln (der Tonfall dieses Jahr ist tatsächlich weniger aggressiv als in früheren Ausgaben). Was lange währt ist endlich gut, es beginnt mit Albert Camus und endet im wahrscheinlich kürzesten, aber dennoch einem der mächtigsten Filme des Festivals.

Rainer: Ich würde unser heutiges Gespräch gerne mit ein paar Worten zu Albert Camus beginnen. Da ich ungern Zeit untätig verstreichen lasse und es hasse zu warten, trage ich fast immer ein Buch mit mir herum. Während der Diagonale war das ein Sammelband mit Erzählungen von Camus. Während ich also immer wieder in der Straßenbahn oder beim Warten auf das nächste Screening darin gelesen habe, ist mir klar geworden, dass ich eine sehr konkrete Sache an Camus besonders schätze und das ist die Stringenz und Präzision in der Artikulation seines philosophischen Programms in seinen Romanen und Erzählungen. Seine Agenda zieht sich wie ein roter Faden deutlich durch sein Werk – alles ist sehr konzis und klar artikuliert – diese Konsequenz in der Wahl der Methode bewundere ich auch bei vielen Filmemachern, oder mehr noch, geht mir ab, wenn sie nicht da ist.

Patrick: Das ist interessant, weil Camus mal gesagt hat, dass er Autoren nur am Gesamtwerk beurteilt, nie an einzelnen Werken. Ich bin mir da nicht ganz sicher, weil wenn ich wie bei Pedro Costa eine Entwicklung entdecken kann, die auseinander hervorgeht, dann ist das auch stimmig.

Rainer: Ich glaube auch nicht, dass es der einzige Weg ist, aber es fehlt mir oft die Konsequenz im Kino. Wir leben in einer gefährlichen Zeit, in der sich Künstler und Kunstwerke oft in Beliebigkeit verlieren, da schätze ich eine gewisse Zielstrebigkeit und Deutlichkeit in der Artikulation, egal ob im Großen oder im Kleinen. Das ist der Grund weshalb ich Einer von uns von Stephan Richter besser fand, als ich es erwartet hatte: Er beschränkt sich geographisch auf einen Schauplatz, er versucht seine Figuren zu verstehen und dieses Verständnis ans Publikum weiterzugeben, das ist alles sehr solide im Gegensatz zu einem Film wie beispielsweise Agonie von David Clay Diaz, der sich eben nicht festlegen kann und/oder will.

Patrick: Also die Konsequenz in der Wahl der Methode im Bezug zum Stoff, den man filmt oder als allgemeines ästhetisches Programm, als politische Idee? Finde deinen Weg von Camus zu Stephan Richter sehr kurz.

Rainer: Die politische Idee beziehungsweise das ästhetische Programm (ist ja nicht immer so einfach das zu trennen) bedingen doch die Entscheidungen in der Praxis, oder nicht? Das Ganze ist auch kein zu Ende gedachter Gedanke, sondern eher eine (Selbst-)Beobachtung unter Berücksichtigung von Filmen, die ich gestern gesehen habe.

Patrick: Ich hoffe, dass es nicht einfach ist, das zu trennen. So sollte es zumindest sein. Ich habe dieses Jahr den Eindruck, dass sich diese politische Haltung schon ein wenig durch das Festival zieht. Da geht es weniger um eine einzelne Haltung, so nach dem Motto: Wir machen ein kommunistisches Festival, sondern eher um eine Absicherung in der Argumentation von Filmen. Das gefällt mir zwar, aber manchmal würde ich schon auch gerne sagen, dass es die Filme ohne Absicherung auch geben darf. Es gibt halt dadurch sehr viele Filme, die sich selbst thematisieren. Wie in der Filmkritik auch.

Rainer: Da passt der „Trend“ der nachkommenden Generation österreichischer Filmemacher ihre Familie zu filmen und anderweitig zu thematisieren auch gut dazu…

Patrick: Ja, das Stichwort dazu ist Bescheidenheit und da schrillen bei mir so einige Alarmglocken. Ich sage nicht, dass diese Filme, die übrigens nicht nur von jungen Filmemachern gemacht werden, prinzipiell uninteressant sind, aber das Kino darf und soll schon über Grenzen gehen. Ich habe da ja zwei Artikel dazu geschrieben (Film braucht mehr Genies und Der böse Wille zur Kunst) und es ist mir nicht nachvollziehbar wieso Bescheidenheit ein Indiz für Qualität sein soll. Da wird oft Naivität mit Unschuld verwechselt und fehlende Reflektiertheit mit einem angenehm nicht-intellektuellen Zugang. Wenn ein Film per se schon das Herz erwärmt durch seine Beobachtung von Menschen, muss er letztlich eine Fantasie sein. Ja, das Kino soll, darf und muss an diese Dinge glauben, aber für sich alleine stehend bedeuten sie nichts. Dann sind sie nur das Produkt einer Welt, die sie mit ihrer Freude eigentlich kritisieren sollten. Wenn ich mir dagegen so etwas wie Peter Brunners Jeder der fällt hat Flügel anschaue, dann finde ich damit auch meine Probleme, aber ich finde einen Glauben an Kino, der es nicht dafür gebraucht, um vom Potenzial einer menschlichen Nähe zu erzählen, sondern der das Kino und diese Nähe zu einer Bewegung formt, die eben nicht immer harmonisch ist, aber die danach sucht und der nicht gemocht werden will, sich nicht hinter seiner durch alle Poren triefenden Subjektivität versteckt, sondern nackt dasteht.

Rainer: Aber sind diese persönlichen Filme dann zwangsläufig bescheiden? Das kann dann eine aufgesetzte Bescheidenheit wie in den Filmen von Kurdwin Ayub sein oder auch in selbstverherrlichender Megalomanie enden. Im Umkehrschluss kann ein Film auch sehr auf sich selbst bezogen sein, ohne dass der Filmemacher ein einziges Mal selbst auftritt. Ich glaube, wir drehen uns im Kreis, wenn wir uns auf diese Kategorien versteifen, schlussendlich geht es doch darum was mit und in jedem einzelnen Film passiert.

Einer von uns von Stephan Richter

Einer von uns von Stephan Richter

Patrick: Ich glaube diese Verirrung mit Bescheidenheit kommt daher, dass es eine völlige Bescheidenheit etwas zu Filmen und dann zu Zeigen gar nicht geben kann. Ich will kein bescheidenes Kino. Ich will ein Kino das mehr will. Was mich an Haltung interessiert, ist die Position des Filmemachers zu dem was er da filmt. Da will ich einen Respekt, der mir zum Beispiel bei Helmut Berger, Actor abgeht, da will ich eine Distanz, die mich daran erinnert, von wo der Blick stattfindet und da will ich eine Menschlichkeit, die nicht von dem ausgeht, was ich da filme, sondern von dem wie ich es filme. Die Geträumten und auch Brüder der Nacht waren da perfekte Beispiele für diese Haltung, die ich im Kino suche. Unabhängig jedweder Kategorie.

Rainer: Hast du gestern noch etwas gesehen, dass ebenfalls solcherart Haltung bezieht? Oder etwas, dass dich besonders abgeschreckt hat?

Patrick: Ich habe etwas gesehen, dass sich wohl genau in der Mitte davon bewegt hat. Shops around the Corner von Jörg Kalt. Das ist ein Film, der aus Aufnahmen besteht, die der verstorbene Filmemacher 1998 in New York gemacht hat und die Nina Kusturica nun montierte. Dabei überzeugt, dass der Prozess des Filmens im Sinn eines direct cinema Stils mehr oder weniger sichtbar wird, es also auch ein Film über die Arbeitsweise von Jörg Kalt ist, aber gleichzeitig gibt sie dem Film mit einigen Titeln vorher und nachher so einen komisch künstlichen Rahmen…dennoch ist die Haltung dieses Films Neugier, was schonmal ein guter Ausgangspunkt ist. Ich glaube das ist auch ein guter Unterscheidungspunkt…es gibt neugierige Filme und gierige Filme. In einem Film wie Brüder der Nacht hängt das sogar zusammen. Hast du neugierige oder gierige Filme gesehen gestern?

Rainer: Im Kurzdokuprogramm 1 waren mehrere Filme zu sehen, die man zur neugierigen Sorte zählen könnte: Leuchtkraft von Clara Stern und Johannes Höß, nachdem man nie mehr einfach so an einem Neon-Schriftzug vorbeigeht oder auch The Sea You Have to Love von Patrick Wally, der sich querbeet von Hemingways Der alte Mann und das Meer bis Leviathan von Lucien Castaing-Taylor und Véréna Paravel bedient, in seiner Studie über kroatische Fischer. Im Endeffekt sind beide Filme wohl ein bisschen zu brav aber insgesamt war das ein schönes Programm, wo es viel zu sehen und lernen gab.

Patrick: Können wir bitte noch über den grandiosen Atlantic35 von Manfred Schwaba sprechen? Vielleicht der zeitgenössischste Film des Festivals?

Rainer: Ich teile deinen Enthusiasmus für den Film nicht ganz, wenngleich ich ihn als Konzeptkunst schätze. Ein 35mm-Film, wie er unter den derzeitigen ökonomischen Rahmenbedingungen noch möglich ist, ein analoger Vine für die Kinoauswertung. Abgesehen von der poetischen Qualität des Films kann man hier sehr lange über medientheoretische Implikationen sprechen, die das Ganze mit sich bringt.

Patrick: Ach du Laberkopf. Das ist einfach ein Film der puren Sehnsucht, ein Film, der nur von seiner Unendlichkeit spricht.

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  70. This is becoming a little bit excess subjective, nevertheless I considerably want the Zune Sector. The interface is vibrant, incorporates added aptitude, and some interesting features like ‚Mixview‘ that allow for on your own all of a sudden watch comparable albums, new music, or other buyers related to what you happen to be listening in the direction of. Clicking upon one of people will middle on that merchandise, and an additional set of „neighbors“ will come into belief, making it possible for you to navigate about studying by similar artists, music, or consumers. Chatting of users, the Zune „Social“ is furthermore perfect enjoyment, allowing oneself come across other people with shared tastes and getting to be good friends with them. By yourself then can listen in direction of a playlist produced primarily based on an amalgamation of what all your good friends are listening toward, which is also remarkable. People nervous with privateness will be relieved to know you can prevent the community in opposition to watching your person listening practices if yourself thus choose.

  71. The clean Zune browser is shockingly Terrific, nevertheless not as positive as the iPod’s. It functions very well, but is not as fast as Safari, and includes a clunkier interface. If yourself from time to time method upon getting the web browser that’s not an issue, nevertheless if you are designing to read the web alot from your PMP then the iPod’s larger exhibit and greater browser may well be significant.

  72. Apple at the moment has Rhapsody as an app, which is a perfect get started, but it is by now hampered by the incapacity in the direction of retail store regionally on your iPod, and has a dismal 64kbps little bit cost. If this improvements, then it will rather negate this comfort for the Zune, nevertheless the 10 tunes per month will even now be a huge in addition within just Zune Pass‘ prefer.

  73. Sorry for the enormous evaluate, but I am particularly loving the fresh new Zune, and count on this, as effectively as the ideal evaluations some other Those people comprise composed, will assistance you make your mind up if it truly is the immediately determination for on your own.

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  76. This is turning into a bit further subjective, but I substantially favor the Zune Current market. The interface is colourful, incorporates a lot more aptitude, and some neat options together with ‚Mixview‘ that let your self all of a sudden see related albums, tunes, or other end users related in direction of what you happen to be listening to. Clicking upon a person of those will centre on that product or service, and an additional fastened of „neighbors“ will appear into look at, allowing on your own in the direction of navigate near investigating by means of equivalent artists, audio, or consumers. Chatting of customers, the Zune „Social“ is far too superior pleasurable, permitting your self track down other people with shared preferences and getting friends with them. By yourself then can hear in direction of a playlist constructed based on an amalgamation of what all your good friends are listening toward, which is in addition fascinating. People nervous with privateness will be relieved toward comprehend oneself can steer clear of the general public from observing your unique listening habits if on your own hence opt for.

  77. The Zune concentrates upon currently being a Moveable Media Player. Not a world-wide-web browser. Not a sport machine. Potentially in just the potential it’s going to do even far better in those people areas, however for previously it truly is a superior direction in the direction of prepare and listen to your audio and motion pictures, and is without the need of peer within that regard. The iPod’s pros are its world wide web checking out and applications. If people sound excess powerful, quite possibly it is your perfect choice.

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  80. The Zune concentrates on staying a Transportable Media Player. Not a net browser. Not a recreation machine. Perhaps in just the upcoming it’s going to do even better in people areas, still for previously it truly is a outstanding way in the direction of arrange and hear in the direction of your songs and motion pictures, and is devoid of peer inside that respect. The iPod’s benefits are its website going to and apps. If all those sound even more powerful, quite possibly it is your least complicated determination.

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  83. Apple currently is made up of Rhapsody as an application, which is a Good start, still it is previously hampered as a result of the inability in the direction of retail outlet domestically on your iPod, and has a dismal 64kbps bit selling price. If this variations, then it will rather negate this ease for the Zune, yet the Ten audio for each thirty day period will nonetheless be a huge plus in just Zune Pass‘ desire.

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  85. The new Zune browser is amazingly superior, nevertheless not as positive as the iPod’s. It operates effectively, still is just not as quick as Safari, and consists of a clunkier interface. If you occasionally software on having the net browser that is not an issue, nonetheless if you’re planning in direction of examine the world-wide-web alot versus your PMP then the iPod’s larger sized screen and improved browser might be sizeable.

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  88. If you are nonetheless upon the fence: grab your most loved earphones, head down in the direction of a Least difficult Invest in and inquire to plug them into a Zune then an iPod and watch which one particular sounds improved in direction of by yourself, and which interface produces yourself smile more. Then you may notice which is instantly for yourself.

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