Diagonale-Dialog 3: The virtue of losing oneself in a sea of light

Nun wo das Festival langsam dem Ende zugeht, beginnen sich erste Gedanken bezüglich der eigenen Wahrnehmung zu formen. Was ist es, was man da sieht und worüber man spricht? Gelingt es uns immer von unserem persönlichen Werturteil zu abstrahieren und jeden Film tatsächlich als das zu sehen, was er ist? Steckt darin nicht eine phänomenologische Unmöglichkeit?

Rainer: Gestern haben wir uns gar nicht gesehen. Das ist angesichts der Größe des Festivals schon bemerkenswert. Ich habe den ganzen Tag im selben Kino und sogar im selben Saal verbracht – das habe ich auch noch nie geschafft – ich kam mir vor, wie die Saalregie.

Patrick: Ich hatte die Ehre vom König der Saalregisseure in meinen Film eingeführt zu werden. Er hat sich nochmal gesteigert und das KIZ Royal bleibt daher mein Lieblingskino hier.

Rainer: Ja, zum Glück ist er dieses Jahr wieder dabei. Ich mag ja das Schubertkino lieber – solang es nicht verstopft ist, hat es etwas von einem Wohnzimmer, wo man den ganzen Tag verbringen kann (was ich gestern dann auch gemacht habe). Wie war das zweite Screening deines Films?

Patrick: Ich habe den Fehler gemacht, dass ich rausgegangen bin diesmal. Ich dachte, dass es dann weniger belastend ist, den Film anzusehen. Aber da fehlt mir dann schon noch die Souveränität und im Endeffekt bin ich um das Kino herumgeschlichen in der Zeit. Aber es gab viel mehr Feedback und ich habe das Gefühl, dass man etwas erahnen kann, wenn man ihn sieht. Hattest du Highlights gestern?

Rainer: Die interessanteste Erkenntnis war, dass die Diagonale für mich eigentlich ein Kurzfilmfestival ist, wo ich hin und wieder auch Langfilme sehe. Gemocht habe ich aber auf jeden Fall die Josef-Trilogie von Thomas Woschitz, die im Rahmen der Personale zu Gabriele Kranzelbinder lief. Ein Film, der mehr über Österreich aussagt, als man zunächst vermuten würde: mit bitterbösem Humor, Kärntner Dialekt und Bergsetting. War bei dir was dabei, das heraussticht?

Patrick: Also das mit dem Kurzfilmfestival sehe ich anders. Neben Die Geträumten hat mich nämlich auch Brüder der Nacht sehr überzeugt. Klar, die waren beide in Berlin, aber lang sind sie trotzdem. Letzterer ist eine faszinierende Arbeit im Stricher-Roma-Milieu in Wien, die sich ein wenig in Bilder von Fassbinder oder Kenneth Anger verliebt und daraus ein Spiel schafft, das durchgehend fasziniert und sich in pure Bewegung auflöst. Dazu noch ein Film wie Jeder der fällt hat Flügel und zumindest sehenswertes wie Korida…es gibt schon lange Filme hier, oder hast du da gar nichts bislang gesehen?

Putty Hill von Matt Porterfield

Putty Hill von Matt Porterfield

Rainer: Nein, das meinte ich nicht. Klar gibt es auch genug lange Filme, aber bei mir läuft es meist auf Kurzfilmprogramme hinaus. Natürlich sehe ich hier auch Langfilme, gestern zum Beispiel Putty Hill von Matt Porterfield (den du kennst, wenn ich mich richtig erinnere). Dass du hier sehr viele Langfilme siehst, während ich die Kurzfilmprogramme vorziehe, könnte einer der Gründe sein, weshalb wir uns nicht so oft über den Weg laufen.

Patrick: Ich schaue schon auch Kurzfilme. Wir haben nur einen völlig unterschiedlichen Zeitplan. Putty Hill kenne ich und schätze ich sehr. Porterfield ist für mich allgemein ein sehr spannender Regisseur, weil er dieses Driften in einer modernen Welt greifbar macht, um es mal etwas pauschal runterzubrechen. Wie ging es dir damit? Es gab auch ein Gespräch?

Rainer: Ja, schon klar, ich denke trotzdem, dass wir unterschiedliche Gewichtungen haben in unserer Programmzusammenstellung. Anyways, Putty Hill ist ein kleines Mysterium für mich. Prinzipiell müsste ich diesem Film eigentlich sehr viel abgewinnen können, weil er stark mit Fiktionsebenen und Konventionen spielt, was ich für gewöhnlich sehr interessant finde. Allerdings konnte ich Putty Hill trotzdem nicht so viel abgewinnen – der Film lief ein wenig an mir vorbei – und er hat mich nicht berührt, was vielleicht der Knackpunkt war. Es ist ja doch eine sehr emotionale Geschichte, aber sie hat nichts mit mir gemacht. Ich glaube ich muss mir das irgendwann nochmal ansehen. Da es im Gespräch um Porterfields Einfluss auf Sebastian Brameshubers Und in der Mitte, da sind wir ging, den ich nicht kenne, bin ich davor gegangen.

Patrick: Warum ist dieses emotionale Berühren so ein Grundwert?

Rainer: Es ist nur eine Vermutung, weshalb ich den Film nicht so sehr mochte. Wie gesagt, schätze ich Filme wie Putty Hill normalerweise sehr, aber irgendetwas hat gefehlt. Ich kann rationalisieren, was der Film (sehr gut) macht und kann im Nachhinein die konzeptionellen Überlegungen wertschätzen, aber ich habe den Film nicht gespürt, als er auf der Leinwand war. Keine Ahnung, sowas passiert manchmal, vielleicht hat es auch mit dem Festivalsetting zu tun…

Patrick: Ja, ich glaube darauf will ich hinaus. Natürlich will man, dass man etwas spürt, darum geht es ja sogar oft. Aber ich finde nicht, dass es immer darum geht und ich finde nicht, dass es immer unbedingt am Film liegt, wenn man nichts gespürt hat. Das fällt mir immer wieder auf bei diesen Gesprächen, die man so hat hier…am Ende werden sehr subjektive Urteile gefällt, die letztlich doch an einem Bauchgefühl hängen, das je nach rhetorischen Fähigkeiten dann pseudo-objektiviert wird. Wie man über einen Film spricht, fragen sich nur sehr wenige. Vielleicht ist das aber auch eine Ohnmacht, die wir alle teilen und die letztlich das Ganze lebendig hält.

The Exquisite Corpus von Peter Tscherkassky

The Exquisite Corpus von Peter Tscherkassky

Rainer: Ich verstehe, was du meinst. Um das nochmal klarzustellen: Putty Hill hat unweigerlich seine Qualitäten, die ich gar nicht abgestritten habe oder abstreiten will, ich bin eher selbst verwundert, dass der Film nicht noch zusätzlich auch auf einer persönlichen Ebene funktioniert ist, dass der Funke nicht übergesprungen ist. Deshalb möchte ich noch einmal auf den Film zurückkommen, um festzustellen, ob ich tatsächlich ein Problem mit einem Aspekt des Films hab, den ich bisher nicht spezifizieren kann, oder ob es an meiner Tagesverfassung oder an der Screeningsituation gelegen ist. Mir fällt gerade ein, dass ich in deiner Frage nach den Highlights auf Peter Tscherkasskys The Exquisite Corpus vergessen habe, den ich gestern als ersten Film des Tages gesehen habe, und der erwartungsgemäß virtuos ist.

Patrick: Ja, das ist ein herausragender Film, der das Begehren mit dem Material verbindet und auflöst. Bekommst du eher Lust auf Film auf der diesjährigen Diagonale oder eine Müdigkeit?

Rainer: Ich kann mir nur schwer ein Szenario vorstellen, in dem ich keine Lust auf Film habe und vor allem Filmfestivals verstärken eher meinen Enthusiasmus. Da fühle ich mich immer selbst ein wenig, wie ein exquisiter Körper, der sich in den Filmen und Kinos auflöst.

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